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| March 2010 | |
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Problem: Bullies, Haters, and in general, sick, weak, gutless people that use facebook to attack people. It makes them feel big, powerful and in control knowing that their friends can see how tough they are as every comment and attack is broadcast through their network of friends. Spurred on by their friends, who half the time, haven't got a clue as to the real truth. And the other half of the time. Don't even know what they are buying into. These scum gain more and more momentum as they attack and discredit you in a public forum. Solution: Get your own website. On your own server. Take the issue away from the public forum. Stand up for yourself. And at the very least, let people see your side of the story, rumours, slander, attacks and innuendo. Take the power away from these morons. I guarantee. They will spend hours looking at your web page for a post, write on your wall, comment or add me button. | |
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| The $1000 Bikini | |
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A few years back. I had a
model win a local comp and make it through to the National Finals. She
asked if she could borrow a swimsuit from me. Her Favourite Bikini. I said
no. As I was tired of chasing things that people had borrowed. This didn't
go down well. And as a result. Never spoke to me again. Even though I had
worked with her for years. Helped her with comps. And bent over backwards
for her. As a result, the friendship and working relationship went pear shaped
over this bikini. Now..You would think it would end there. But no.
A year later. A friend of hers won another local comp..and once again was off to the finals. She bugged me for weeks, wanting to borrow some outfits to take to the finals. I kept saying no..and she kept asking. Making promises that she wouldn't be like the girls in the past. And would return the outfits as soon as she got back. I finally caved and lent her several outfits. But, for some strange reason. She was very particular about wanting to also borrow the same outfit that I had refused to give her friend the year prior. After her return from the
national finals. Days, weeks and months passed. She lived virtually across
the road from me, and all of this time, I kept seeing her on the road. We
would stop, and she would say..Oh Pete, im so sorry I haven't returned the
outfits..I just haven't had a chance. I let it go for a while..and finally
sent her a letter and an invoice after hearing the same thing for months.
The letter stated that, if she didn't return the outfits. The invoice was
there to recover the costs of the outfits. Now...Did I learn my lesson? No. October last year. I had a model that I have known for years. Send me half a dozen txt messages and facebook messages. Desperately needing to borrow some outfits for a comp. She went on to say..She knew the problems I had had in the past. And promised to return the outfits straight after the comp. I agreed, and as she lived out of town. I drove out with several outfits for her to choose from. The comp was in early November 2009. Almost 5 months ago. Since then I have asked her several times. A few weeks ago I sent her my postal details and asked her to mail the outfit back. As with her living out of town, I felt it might be easier for her. So, that was agreed. Tired of checking my PO Box and not finding any response. I sent her an email the other day. Telling her what I thought. And asking her how fair is it that I end up being the as*%$le all the time. Just for wanting my things returned. I finally got a response
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Me: ummmmm...done
that...But for arguments sake. I will go through the process again. If anyone is planning to ask me if they can borrow something in the future. forget it! I've heard it all before. I will end up chasing you. And I will turn out to be the as*%$le. I don't know how or why. But that's exactly how it will turn out. | |
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| Like I said. I always turn out to be the asshole. For 5 months this girl has had the Outfit that was borrowed. And this is what it has come to. This along with half a dozen similar posts, threats and slander posted on facebook today. | |
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There is no other side to this. An outfit was borrowed. A promise was made
to return it. And after 5 months. It still wasn't returned. All this name
calling, slander and threats don't change the facts. The outfit was
borrowed and not returned. And it was not my job to drive to the models
place to get it back. If you rent a movie. Is it the shops job to drive to
your place to get the movie back?
You can bring in all of
these other new accusations and slander. I'm a sleaze, I'm washed up etc.
But that's just crap and spin to justify what you are saying, is right. Like I
said. There is no other side to this. An outfit was borrowed. A promise
was made to return it. And after 5 months. It still wasn't returned. And regarding the slander. I have not once mentioned the models name or location. You have not only named, threatened and slandered me on a public forum (facebook). But you have also drawn the attention to yourself and the model by doing so. | |
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| I bought a toolkit the other day. So, now that makes me a Professional Motor Mechanic | |
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Actually, that's not true. I didn't
buy a toolkit. And im not a professional motor mechanic. But that attitude
seems to apply to photography these days. You buy a digital camera. That
makes you a professional photographer! Your good with photo shop. So that
makes your photos great!
I've touched on this topic before in my write up "Everyone's a Photographer" But every week, I see more and more crap passed of as photography. Every week I get emails from models, referring me to their facebook albums to see their latest pics, and to be considered for work. Some times I just cant believe my eyes. Now...I can, have and still
do take some bad pics. And just like everyone else. I have my bad days.
But im talking about photographers that are turning out consistent,
regular crap. Sure, some of their landscape, nature or people photos are
great. But modelling photography is a whole different ball game. Just like
wedding photography. Your either good, great...or bad. It said: Hi Peter, | |
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I've had a few people question
and suggest that I'm a bitter and angry person. I don't really see it that
way, and feel that I'm virtually the same person that I have always been.
Iv always done everything that I could to help people, kind, caring,
thoughtful and grateful. And usually pretty happy.
But give this some thought. (for those that missed the updates over the years) Imagine quitting your job,
walking away from your business or passion, having no social life for 3
years. But doing what you could, with little spare time to keep those
things alive. Yes, I have changed in a few ways..I don't have patience for bullshit, timewasters, backstabbers, gossip mongers and slanderous competitors...Apart fom that..Im still the same. | |
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For a few years now. I've occasionally
come across a minority of models in the Coffs Harbour area, that
have responded to my query to them about modelling, with the same,
identical sentence. "Oh..No way!, I'm not interested in doing that type of thing". Now, funnily enough, each of them has worked with the same photographer in the Coffs Harbour area. I also get the occasional email from some Coffs Harbour Models answering to work posts etc. Each of them has started their email work with "it's not nude work is it?" And once again each of them has worked with this same photographer in the Coffs Harbour area. So, I can only presume what this photographer is saying, and until I get enough people with the guts to to say who is saying this, and exactly what is being said..Then, I can't sue their ass. Or better still, expose them for who they really are, and their obsession with hanging in some teenage website forums and social networking pages and typing and carrying on like a 14 year old girl. So, the next time this photographer sees me in the street, waves, smiles and yells out "Hey Pete, Hows it going?" Think about this. I know what you are saying behind my back. I would like to go on record though. In 18 years of photography. I have only shot 9 nudes. And that was at the request of the models. Compare that to the hundreds of models that I have worked with over those 18 years, and it barely raises a % value. I must also add..That all
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| If it's for swimsuit work. We advertise Models wanted for swimsuit work. If its for calendar work, and there are openings for nude models. Yes, we include the word nude. This is, and has never been a pre requisite or an expectation. Nor has it been a suggestion or a demand. Wake up and Grow up Coffs Harbour! If you listen to this crap. You will get no where. | |
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| Girls - Enter our comp to win $50,000, no $20,000, no $1000 | |
| It's still going....This is so funny. Let's just make it up as we go along. | |
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| February 2010 | |
| Model Competitions - I just cant help myself | |
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If your going to take me
on. But you need to discredit or slander me to win people over. I at least
have the right of reply. The following was sent out a while back to
members of a social network page. I actually know the answers to the
questions I pose. Hopefully this will prompt the gullible ones into doing
some research of their own So it's started again for 2010...The ************** is up and running. We'll be in venues *********** over the next ? months looking for girls to ******************. If you're interested in entering it's a great chance to break into the glamorous world of modelling or if you're already an established model, featuring in a national calendar will look great in any portfolio. All Good so far. The competition has 2 sections, "*******" wear and swimwear. The competition is different from any you've ever entered as we have dedicated competition co-ordinators to help you every step of the way, with everything from what to do and wear, to scheduling our professional ***** to help you look your best on the night which is all free of course! Now. Hang on a minute. "The competition is different from any you've ever entered as we have dedicated competition co-ordinators" How is this different to any other competition? My daughter and I have been involved in the running of model comps here in Coffs Harbour for at least 10 years. Its actually closer to 15. We have co-ordinated everything. From Booking the entrants in, entrant and comp briefs, entrants music, booking and liasing with sponsors, judges and Dj's. How many years have these people been running model comps? What experience do they have..Other than entering a few competitions prior to running them? The ONLY reason I stopped being involved in the running of comps. Was to take 3 years time out to be a full time carer for my grandmother. And another year to get back on my feet after she passed away. I might add. I also went out of my way, and did my best to help some people, continue to shoot, and do what I could to maintain the business over those 3 years and under the most extreme circumstances. Another reason to enter the ************ Model Search (besides the chance to feature in an amazing national calendar, shot by an internationally renowned photographer) are all the other great prizes. Throughout the competition there are thousands of dollars worth of cash and prizes up for grabs. These include ... Now. Hold the Boat. What was that? (besides the chance to feature in an amazing national calendar, shot by an internationally renowned photographer) A few questions here. How is this photographer Internationally renowned? And in what field? Modelling? I have been shooting Models (and not much else) for close to 18 years. Published in Magazines, Calendars, Postcards, Websites both here in Australia and Overseas. I can be called an Internationally Renowned Photographer. But does that give me the credentials to be a wedding photographer? No. Because I don't specialise in weddings. How long has this photographer been shooting models? How many models has this photographer had published? How many calendars has this photographer shot? How long has this photographer been shooting overall? National Calendar? How far outside of the Coffs Harbour Region did this Calendar go? *A professional portfolio photo shoot for every single entrant (this alone is enough to enter because if you're thinking of being a model you need to have a portfolio to be noticed and they can be really, really expensive!). Great Spin....Refer to above questions. *A profile on the ************* website so that you can be considered for work as a ************************ depending on your skills and ambitions. When? This website hasn't been completed. Even after 12 months talking about it. There was another similar email that boasted even more spin. But I chose to address this one. | |
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| January 2010 | |
| And the Winner is? The Organiser! | |
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Just add Gullible Entrants, Someone that can talk it up and people with short memories...and you end up with a lot of girls conned, out of pocket and coming back for another
go. A Model Search was launched in 2008. Here are a few Quotes: Searching for models to compete in a brand new competition with over $50,000 in cash and prizes to be won. On their Brochure, its quoted as $20,000. The competition was to run in 12 venues throughout NSW. One winner from each venue was to be selected to represent their area in a National Final. From there the top 12 girls would be shot for the 2010 Calendar. Then, it seemed to change to: The winner from each venue was to feature in a 2010 calendar, to be launched Nationally. With the winning finalist to feature on the cover of the calendar. As well, the top 12 girls would tour the country as part of a National Calendar Launch. The Facts: The competition ran in 1...Possibly 2 venues. The Calendar was produced. Does it feature girls from the 12 Venues or 12 girls chosen from a National Final? I don't think so. Has it gone nationally? Not that I can tell. Are the top 12 Girls touring the country to Promote the Calendar? It's to early to tell. But if so...Now would be the time to Promote a 2010 Calendar. What happened to the "over $50,000 in cash and prizes" ?. The model that wrote to me didn't see much of it...So where is it? But here is the BIG question...Why are some of the same girls queuing up to enter this competition again? | |
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| Models that Bullsh*! | |
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Now before I start..
And also before I get inundated with hate mail. I am talking about a
microscopic percentage of models. I also realise that this is a common
trait that some humans right across the board have..Ok? I also agree that
some photographers may be guilty as well. And I'm not talking about white
lies, or bending the truth. I'm talking about one topic. Models that
Bullsh*!. I've been affected by this in a few ways, and I have heard
countless other photographers that have had similar experiences. Here's
the bottom line...Just tell the TRUTH! I know of one model that didn't tell her boyfriend that she did shoots, and was going to be published. Eventually her boyfriend saw a copy of the publication some time later. Instead of admitting to it. To protect her relationship, she said that the image was submitted without her permission. For god's sake.. She did 2 shoots specifically for submission, took part in choosing the images to be submitted.. And was excited when she heard she was going to be published. Did she consider the effects on the photographers life, personally, mentally, emotionally and financially to defend and prove the truth? No...Not for an instant. Is she still with the boyfriend? Probably not. Where did it get her? KARMA. The same applies to the no shows that book photo shoots, that come up with some lame untruth. Do they consider the time, effort and $ value when it comes to booking, planning, preparing, and driving to the location? Just tell the TRUTH! 15 years or more ago, I travelled overseas with several models to an International Competition. We arrived at the Resort, Checked in, and proceeded to the Conference Room for Registration. When we entered the room, we were confronted with 100's of stunning models. One of the girls totally freaked out..and proceeded to say she wasn't going to compete. I spent the best part of the night in a Hallway.. Trying to convince the girl to stay. To top it off, 2 of the other girls decided that if she wasn't going to enter..Then they had no chance either. The 3 girls left and flew back to Australia. Less than 24 hours after arriving. All that time and effort, fundraising and more..Down the tube. The 2 girls that stayed. Competed. And had the time of their life. Now... Instead of telling the truth, they concocted several stories on the flight back to Australia to explain their reasons for returning. Needless to say..I wasn't very popular when I returned to Australia..And the rumour mills had gone into overdrive. I was also threatened by at least one of the Boyfriends. Eventually...The truth came out when they where overheard discussing it at a party by one of the boyfriends. Finally for me... Truth and Justice Prevailed. Here's a hypothetical.
Let's say..... A model was booked for a shoot. She contacted the
photographer and said that she couldn't do the shoot for several weeks and
booked in for another day the following month, as she had fell and hurt
her leg. A day later, the photographer notices that she is posting
availability for shoots for a trip away, that she had planned in a week or
so. A few days after that. He sees that she posted that she was available
for shoots locally during an upcoming long weekend. Should the
photographer do the shoot when her leg is supposedly to heal in a few
weeks? That's one of the funny things with the internet.. People
just love to get on there and tell everyone what they are doing and what
they have done. And don't realise that they are being caught out in the
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| Everyone's a Photographer! | |
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I'm happy to take my hat off
to, admire, respect and encourage new photographer's. But in the past few
year's. And I suppose the coming of the age of Digital Photography and
Photoshop. I can't believe the number of people that now call themselves
photographer's..... That shouldn't! Wake up and smell the roses. Would you know a good photo if you fell over one? Every day.. I see new "Photo Packages" being promoted that are just money making crap! Or guy's that have just bought a digital camera "cause they love the idea of shooting girls" By all mean's give the new guy's a go...as there really are some great up and coming, and new talented photographer out there. And everyone has to start somewhere. But just look at the work. A picture really does speak a thousand words. If they are shooting for all the wrong reasons.. Then the words wannabe and sleaze should jump right out of those pictures. If you want good photo's.
Check the credentials, How long they have been shooting, what they have
had published. Look at their Portfolio's and work it out for yourself.
Don't waste time with wannabee's. | |
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| Tall Poppy Syndrome or The Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence | |
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For years I have been haunted
by the small town attitude, thinking and gossip mongering. Oh..He lives in Coff's Harbour..So he really cant be anyone that important or good. LOL I say. I'm sure some of the people
in Michelangelo, Leonardo Da Vinci and Rembrandts home towns... All had
the same attitude. Now... On that note... I
challenge any "so called Local Model" that can find another
Photographer in my area of work (Swimwear/Glamour), that is based in Coffs
Harbour or the Coffs Harbour area that has been published as many times as
I have been, or had the number of models published that I have had, in
Magazines or Calendars. Most of the shots where below average, washed out and crap. WAKE UP! There are some awesome photographer's here in Australia. And yes, some of them come from small towns or the back of no where. The grass isn't all way's greener on the other side of the fence. | |
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| May 2008 | |
| Fake Magazines - Con Artists - Gullible Models | |
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Fake Magazines that set up on
MySpace, or their own website, with the help of a flashy Mock Up Magazine
Cover, and give this incredible spiel about how they are going to take
over the magazine industry. The Con Artists behind them that make it all
seem to good to be true..and it usually is.. And the models that email
these people, or leave comments similar to what a bunch of screaming
teenagers would do if they could send an email direct to their
biggest fan or Idol. Not all of these things are scams..But they are
around. Read and
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I know of at least 2 such
scams at the moment. I cant say anymore about the Magazines or the Con
Artists behind them..But I will comment more on the Gullible Models, as
some of you guys need a reality check. Its amazing to see the number
of girls that have fallen for these scams..and left comments like:
AWESOME!!!! I cant wait Usually Nothing...You saw the Mock Magazine Cover..Read the Spiel..and thats it..Your ready to jump on board and offer them anything and everything. My tip......DO SOME RESEARCH...ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS...AND BE CAREFUL. You don't want to blow it by giving it them flick up front, because it could be the real deal. But at the same time, you should be cautious. If its legit..It shouldn't be a problem answering any question that you throw at them..And they shouldn't have a problem answering them..If all else fails. Go with your gut instincts. On a similar topic. I cant use the actual names..But does anyone stop and think who is behind MySpace Pages such as. The 100 Hottest girls of Afghanistan
(just an example) FOOD FOR THOUGHT! | |
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| Please read on to see what Sh*! me over the past few months. And come back next month as I will be concentrating on "Models with Attitudes" and a few other topics. | |
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| April 2008 | |
| Boyfriends | |
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That take or destroy their
Model/Girlfriends disks of images after a break up. Over the years, I have had several girls contact me and ask for another copy of their images because they broke up with their boyfriend and he either destroyed or took all the disks and wont give them back. This hasn't been a big issue, as most of the shoots I have done are swimsuit related. But it does seem that a few of those that have done topless, implied nude, or nude..Are the ones that are at most risk. Come on girls!! Unfortunately, not all relationships these days last forever. Just think about it! | |
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| Thank You | |
| This one is really simple. Two Words "Thank You".Is it that hard for some people to say Thank You these days? Come on...It's not hard to say..But it really means a lot | |
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| March 2008 | |
| Boyfriends | |
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Especially
Insecure, Controlling, Demanding, Jealous "New" Boyfriends that come into the
lives (usually for a short time)
of models, and start demanding that the model stops doing what they have
been doing prior to them.....coming into their life.
Demanding that they stop pursuing their dreams, stop entering
competitions, stop doing Photo Shoots or Glamour Work (because they don't
want other guys seeing "their woman") For years, I have heard stories from other photographers, and witnessed it first hand as well. Comments such as: I cant enter the competition, because my boyfriend doesn't want me doing that type of thing any more. Can you remove those images from the website. My boyfriend doesn't like other guys seeing those pics. My boyfriend wouldn't like that pose...Can you delete those images so he doesn't see them. Don't send those photos. My boyfriend wouldn't approve if those shots where published. For years I have "succumbed " to these requests. Out of courtesy to the model. Did I have to? No. Does it Sh!t me?...Eventually...Yes! Especially after 3 recent events over the past 3 months, and talking to other photographers that have had similar experiences. Where the models doing this type of work before the "new" boyfriend? Yes. Was the model asked if this is what they wanted to do or pursue? Yes. Was the model present and of sound mind when the photos where taken? Yes. For F#@! Sake. If he doest like what you do, knowing full well, what you did before you met him. Tell him to F#@! Off or GET OVER IT! I can think of a dozen "Good" reasons to make these requests. But a "new" boyfriend isn't one of them. Follow "YOUR" Dreams. Not His. From a photographers point of view. Is the "new" boyfriend going to cover the photographers time, expenses and loss of sale for images that can no longer be sold or used, because "he" doesn't like other guys seeing those pics (but he's happy to look at them or keep them for himself), or he wouldn't approve if the shots where published. Did "HE" Pay for the Photo Shoot? Perhaps we should introduce a "new boyfriend tax" So that in the event that a "new" boyfriend comes along, and starts implementing these new "rules" on their model girlfriends. At least the photographers time and effort is covered. | |
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| Boyfriends - A Models Point of View | |
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In response to the recent post on this site regarding girls in the industry facing difficulties with their boyfriends inability to accept the nature of their work: I have been in the modelling and promotions industry for 8 years and earn a living from this work full time. I believe I am in a perfect position to comment on this issue as I have experienced it from all angles. Starting at 17 my then boyfriend had some problems dealing with what was required of me as a model. In effect, I lost work in order to accommodate his insecurities. Upon meeting my current boyfriend, I politely explained the requirements of my job and gave him the option to leave if he would be uncomfortable with it. At this stage, I simply was not prepared to make any sacrifices that would affect my career based on someone's control issues or insecurities. He decided to stick it out and although there have been ups and downs, I remind him that he accepted me and my job from the beginning and over time he has learned to embrace the perks of the industry. He is constantly surrounded by models, loves to participate in photo shoots and events and travels with me for interstate jobs. He even does my spray tans for me!! lol So I am just grateful to have one of those guys who feels lucky to be part of my life and all that comes with it. He understands the industry and supports my role in it. I just feel sorry for the guys who cant be proud and supportive because the jealous and controlling approach only gets in the way of what could be a great experience for you and your model girlfriend. Guys would probably kill to be in your position so make the most of it before she finds one of those proud, supportive boyfriends who know that no matter how many guys drool over those images - she's going home with you! Those guys are out there... I found one! I started my modelling career with Peter Rollans 8 years ago and have enjoyed working with him and developing a close friendship with him over the years. The Australian Swimsuit Edition has launched my career and these days I would not let any guy get in the way of that. So thanks Peter for an interesting post focusing on an issue that has long needed attention. I totally understand the time and money that goes into a photo shoot and girls need to set their limits before posing so no shots are wasted on "boyfriends not approving" If you are a professional model, then you should be shooting with the aim of being published. If you don't want to be published topless, then don't pose topless. Well there you have a models point of view. I would love to hear more opinions on this topic. Finally, thank you Peter for years of highly entertaining shoots, great images and a cherished friendship from both Lee and I. Keep up the great work and thanks for saying what need to be said! Kirra Tipping Australian - Swimsuit - Edition Model | |
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Here
is an example of a typical magazine competition
explained. Each
entry must include a photo of one person who has given their consent to
enter ("Participant").
Complete with correct answers to all questions on the entry form and
attach an image in the form of either a photo, video or a combination of
both containing the image of the Participant only ("Entry"). All
material submitted is subject to these terms and conditions.
Participants
and Agents agree to indemnify the Promoter against any actions arising
from the publication of the Intellectual Property. No material, text or
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For
the past few years I have sat back and watched as my images have appeared
in Magazines and on their websites as a result of an increasing number of
"Send us your Photo" Best Beach Babe, Best Bum, Girl Next Door
Competitions. After
17 years of shooting, I still get a buzz when my images are published. I am happy that the girls
(may?) gain some exposure from the
exercise...however, I do expect a photo credit. Without that. How the hell
does anyone know that I took the image/s? Sure. Everybody knows its a picture of the
model in the Magazine? But without a Photographer Credit, whose going to
know who took the Photo/s?
I
was recently contacted by a magazine asking permission to use and publish
an image in a future "Summer Special Publication".
I agreed on the point that I would be given a photo credit. The person on
the other end of the phone agreed, and asked how I would like the credit
to read. First
of all, I was taken back that they actually contacted me. But now I
understand, it was just to cover their ass. As a result, one
of the images was published in a general
weekly issue within a week of the phone call, and then a second image
appeared in the Summer Special. Neither image had the photo
credit that I requested.
Now
that the images have been published. It seems that the magazines have this
"after the fact" attitude, where the best that they can do is
say sorry, or "I don't know what happened, the credit should have
been there" When
models say they own something (the image) and in effect selling the image
for exposure, this is comparable to the fraud of people selling the
Harbour Bridge , just smaller in scale. The magazine that accepts the signature of the model claiming ownership of images without proof is being negligent. In
a similar way when I send a model image to some ethical magazines or stock
agencies, they require a witnessed model release and contact details of
the model, and in some cases the magazines contact the model to verify
facts. I
have spoken to one photographer, who had a similar phone call from a
magazine, and none of his images carried a photo credit either. I have also heard
of several other photographers that have had the same problem. Some of the
photographers have invoiced the magazines for the use of the image/s. But
most people just don't try.
Should
we start putting Copyright and our name, business name, or web address
right across the middle of images? Should the magazines add one more question to their entry
forms, eg: Photographer Credit?, Or
start paying for the use of images?
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