Things that Annoy Me

March 2010

Facebook

Problem:
Bullies, Haters, and in general, sick, weak, gutless people that use facebook to attack people. It makes them feel big, powerful and in control knowing that their friends can see how tough they are as every comment and attack is broadcast through their network of friends. Spurred on by their friends, who half the time, haven't got a clue as to the real truth. And the other half of the time. Don't even know what they are buying into. These scum gain more and more momentum as they attack and discredit you in a public forum.

Solution:
Get your own website. On your own server. Take the issue away from the public forum. Stand up for yourself. And at the very least, let people see your side of the story, rumours, slander, attacks and innuendo. Take the power away from these morons. I guarantee. They will spend hours looking at your web page for a post, write on your wall, comment or add me button.

The $1000 Bikini

A few years back. I had a model win a local comp and make it through to the National Finals. She asked if she could borrow a swimsuit from me. Her Favourite Bikini. I said no. As I was tired of chasing things that people had borrowed. This didn't go down well. And as a result. Never spoke to me again. Even though I had worked with her for years. Helped her with comps. And bent over backwards for her. As a result, the friendship and working relationship went pear shaped over this bikini. Now..You would think it would end there. But no.

A year later. A friend of hers won another local comp..and once again was off to the finals. She bugged me for weeks, wanting to borrow some outfits to take to the finals. I kept saying no..and she kept asking. Making promises that she wouldn't be like the girls in the past. And would return the outfits as soon as she got back. I finally caved and lent her several outfits. But, for some strange reason. She was very particular about wanting to also borrow the same outfit that I had refused to give her friend the year prior.

After her return from the national finals. Days, weeks and months passed. She lived virtually across the road from me, and all of this time, I kept seeing her on the road. We would stop, and she would say..Oh Pete, im so sorry I haven't returned the outfits..I just haven't had a chance. I let it go for a while..and finally sent her a letter and an invoice after hearing the same thing for months. The letter stated that, if she didn't return the outfits. The invoice was there to recover the costs of the outfits.

Well..That didn't go down well at all. To say the least. I got word back from one of her friends. Saying she was eventually going to return the outfits. But since I sent her an invoice. She was going to make me pay.

She got the father of her boyfriend (at the time) to write me a legal letter. I took it to my solicitor and we responded. To me. It was on principal. You borrow something. You return it. If not. Its theft. Her boyfriends father was smart in the sense that he made slight changes and demands to our initial reply. Meaning that I would have to reply through my solicitor at $200 a pop. This went on for a few weeks. And well away from the initial issue of the borrowed outfits. We finally settled as I had had a gut full. So, $1000 plus later. I got my outfits back. Thus..The $1000 Bikini.

Now...Did I learn my lesson? No. October last year. I had a model that I have known for years. Send me half a dozen txt messages and facebook messages. Desperately needing to borrow some outfits for a comp. She went on to say..She knew the problems I had had in the past. And promised to return the outfits straight after the comp. I agreed, and as she lived out of town. I drove out with several outfits for her to choose from.

The comp was in early November 2009. Almost 5 months ago. Since then I have asked her several times. A few weeks ago I sent her my postal details and asked her to mail the outfit back. As with her living out of town, I felt it might be easier for her. So, that was agreed. Tired of checking my PO Box and not finding any response. I sent her an email the other day. Telling her what I thought. And asking her how fair is it that I end up being the as*%$le all the time. Just for wanting my things returned.

I finally got a response last night. In short.
The Model: Im not going to bother anymore. Im sick of the shit that comes with having friends. I'm over it.
Me: I say..What shit? And what right do you have to be over it? I just want back what was borrowed. And promised.
The Model: i haven't had a lot of time you know.
Me: 5 Months. Not 5 days or 5 weeks. 5 Months! This brings me to a point I made in another topic on this page. People cant help telling everyone on their facebook page......everything that they have done or are doing. Parties, comps, photo shoots, shopping. Time for all that. But no time to keep a promise and return something borrowed.
The Model: Give me your address ill send them to you.

Me: ummmmm...done that...But for arguments sake. I will go through the process again.

If anyone is planning to ask me if they can borrow something in the future. forget it! I've heard it all before. I will end up chasing you. And I will turn out to be the as*%$le. I don't know how or why. But that's exactly how it will turn out.

Update 22-3-2010

Like I said. I always turn out to be the asshole. For 5 months this girl has had the Outfit that was borrowed. And this is what it has come to. This along with half a dozen similar posts, threats and slander posted on facebook today.

There is no other side to this. An outfit was borrowed. A promise was made to return it. And after 5 months. It still wasn't returned. All this name calling, slander and threats don't change the facts. The outfit was borrowed and not returned. And it was not my job to drive to the models place to get it back. If you rent a movie. Is it the shops job to drive to your place to get the movie back?

You can bring in all of these other new accusations and slander. I'm a sleaze, I'm washed up etc. But that's just crap and spin to justify what you are saying, is right. Like I said. There is no other side to this. An outfit was borrowed. A promise was made to return it. And after 5 months. It still wasn't returned.

It's funny how I've been a great guy, great photographer, all way's there to help at comps over the years. A top bloke for lending things. But how dare I get impatient if things aren't returned after asking for 5 months. All of a sudden..Im not a great guy. Im an asshole. And im accused of all of these new things.

To address some of your tamer comments:
you keep f*#$!ng her about u cant let her children b there thru phot shoots whilst she is a single mother u really are a sleaze
Do I really need to explain why I wouldn't do a shoot with your girlfriend. If she had to bring her baby and a toddler along to the shoot?

Where do I begin.
How fair would it be to a baby and toddler to be dragged along to a 2 or 4 hour shoot? At a beach? Or other location? How long would it take for them to be discontent with being there? In the sun? In the bush?

How fair would it be to the model trying to cope, but also trying to watch two small children and keep them content?

How fair would it be on the photographer to contend with all of this?

there is n reason u couldn't of come and got ur gear u come out this way all the time for shoots
I have been "out that way" once since I dropped the outfits off to her 5 months ago. And it wasn't for a shoot. And once again. Why was it my place to pick it up?

Just because she has a man does not mean u should treat her like shit
What on earth has this got to do with anything?

Anyone with half a brain in their head would ask 2 questions.
1: Did you borrow an outfit?
2: Did you return the outfit?
End of story.

And regarding the slander. I have not once mentioned the models name or location. You have not only named, threatened and slandered me on a public forum (facebook). But you have also drawn the attention to yourself and the model by doing so.

I bought a toolkit the other day. So, now that makes me a Professional Motor Mechanic

Actually, that's not true. I didn't buy a toolkit. And im not a professional motor mechanic. But that attitude seems to apply to photography these days. You buy a digital camera. That makes you a professional photographer! Your good with photo shop. So that makes your photos great!

I've touched on this topic before in my write up "Everyone's a Photographer" But every week, I see more and more crap passed of as photography. Every week I get emails from models, referring me to their facebook albums to see their latest pics, and to be considered for work. Some times I just cant believe my eyes.

Now...I can, have and still do take some bad pics. And just like everyone else. I have my bad days. But im talking about photographers that are turning out consistent, regular crap. Sure, some of their landscape, nature or people photos are great. But modelling photography is a whole different ball game. Just like wedding photography. Your either good, great...or bad.

Some of these so called models....really need to look around and see the difference. Between what they are being told and sold as great. And what is actually crap. I just don't get it. Why are some of you tolerating this rubbish, promoting these photographers as the best thing around, and listening to all of the dribble? When there are good photographers around. In your area. That do provide quality work. And can benefit your modelling career.
Open your eyes! And look around!

And some of these photographers need to wake up to themselves. Stick to what they are good at and walk away from what they aren't good at. Its one thing to try something, hopefully gain experience and become good at it. But it's another thing to try it, produce crap, continue to produce crap, and pass it off as great!

This all reminds me of something I read on a MySpace Profile some time ago. And I lmao.

It said:
Your Pictures SUCK!
You're in luck, because I can teach you everything you need to know about photography!

There is a reason as to why your here, it's quite simple. Your pictures SUCK. Honestly, let's get that out of the way.

You think you take amazing pictures, but you don't! Don't worry, it isn't your fault. People have been lying to you.
Your mother, your father, your boyfriends and girlfriends, your drinking buddies... EVERYONE...

Your mother says you take amazing pictures...

She is your mother, she has to tell you you are a "good" photographer.
I'm not your mother. I'm not here to make you feel like you are a hero... I am here for one reason and one reason only: to make your pictures better.

Do you have what it takes to become a better photographer?
Or are you destined to be another person who has managed to destroy the beauty of a photograph?

Learn to stop sucking:
The Snobby Photographer

In some ways. Digital Cameras and Photo Shop have ruined the industry!

Moving on.........I received an email from a photographer the other day. On a closely related, but slightly different topic. And its not the first time I have seen this type of thing.

Hi Peter,
Just saw this post on net-model.
It said:
I am in the process of totally rebuilding my website, and looking for new faces, styles, etc, to rebuild.
looking for models who approach me with ideas of their own, in styles ranging from casual through to artistic nudes. I am open to any ideas so put your thinking caps and drop me an e-mail.

And then after he has taken these pics will he claim the ideas are his own style?? Thought it was the photographer's job to think of the ideas , and style to represent him on his site.

What amuses me with this method of getting the models to come up with all the ideas for the photographers pics is.
What would happen if this photographer books a model that has no ideas. Would they both turn up to the shoot and just look at each other. Not knowing what to do?

Your a Bitter and Angry Person

I've had a few people question and suggest that I'm a bitter and angry person. I don't really see it that way, and feel that I'm virtually the same person that I have always been. Iv always done everything that I could to help people, kind, caring, thoughtful and grateful. And usually pretty happy.

But give this some thought. (for those that missed the updates over the years)

Imagine quitting your job, walking away from your business or passion, having no social life for 3 years. But doing what you could, with little spare time to keep those things alive.

Instead. You sit in the same house watching someone you loved all of your life, lose their memory, change their behaviour and take 3 years to die......Slowly.

Now.. Imagine trying to re adjust after those 3 years. And pick up from where you left off. Only to find, a few of those so called friends aren't there any more, People that you busted your ass to help for years, are now 2 faced backstabbers that took advantage of your situation. And the small town gossip mongers have had a field day at your expense.

Yes, I have changed in a few ways..I don't have patience for bullshit, timewasters, backstabbers, gossip mongers and slanderous competitors...Apart fom that..Im still the same.

OH No Way !!, I'm not interested in doing that "type of thing"

For a few years now. I've occasionally come across a minority of models in the Coffs Harbour area, that have responded to my query to them about modelling, with the same, identical sentence.
"Oh..No way!, I'm not interested in doing that type of thing".

Now, funnily enough, each of them has worked with the same photographer in the Coffs Harbour area. I also get the occasional email from some Coffs Harbour Models answering to work posts etc. Each of them has started their email work with "it's not nude work is it?" And once again each of them has worked with this same photographer in the Coffs Harbour area. So, I can only presume what this photographer is saying, and until I get enough people with the guts to to say who is saying this, and exactly what is being said..Then, I can't sue their ass. Or better still, expose them for who they really are, and their obsession with hanging in some teenage website forums and social networking pages and typing and carrying on like a 14 year old girl. So, the next time this photographer sees me in the street, waves, smiles and yells out "Hey Pete, Hows it going?" Think about this. I know what you are saying behind my back.

I would like to go on record though. In 18 years of photography. I have only shot 9 nudes. And that was at the request of the models. Compare that to the hundreds of models that I have worked with over those 18 years, and it barely raises a % value.

I must also add..That all of my correspondence to models contains the following statement:
Regarding the Categories: Its is entirely up to you as to the category/s of work that you are interested in doing. We have listed all of them, as these are the Categories that some Businesses will look at. You can choose to do just one, some or all of the categories. It's your choice!

If it's for swimsuit work. We advertise Models wanted for swimsuit work. If its for calendar work, and there are openings for nude models. Yes, we include the word nude. This is, and has never been a pre requisite or an expectation. Nor has it been a suggestion or a demand. Wake up and Grow up Coffs Harbour! If you listen to this crap. You will get no where.

Girls - Enter our comp to win $50,000, no $20,000, no $1000

It's still going....This is so funny. Let's just make it up as we go along.

February 2010

Model Competitions - I just cant help myself

If your going to take me on. But you need to discredit or slander me to win people over. I at least have the right of reply. The following was sent out a while back to members of a social network page. I actually know the answers to the questions I pose. Hopefully this will prompt the gullible ones into doing some research of their own

So it's started again for 2010...The ************** is up and running.

We'll be in venues *********** over the next ? months looking for girls to ******************.

If you're interested in entering it's a great chance to break into the glamorous world of modelling or if you're already an established model, featuring in a national calendar will look great in any portfolio.
All Good so far.

The competition has 2 sections, "*******" wear and swimwear. The competition is different from any you've ever entered as we have dedicated competition co-ordinators to help you every step of the way, with everything from what to do and wear, to scheduling our professional ***** to help you look your best on the night which is all free of course!
Now. Hang on a minute. "The competition is different from any you've ever entered as we have dedicated competition co-ordinators"
How is this different to any other competition?
My daughter and I have been involved in the running of model comps here in Coffs Harbour for at least 10 years. Its actually closer to 15. We have co-ordinated everything. From Booking the entrants in, entrant and comp briefs, entrants music, booking and liasing with sponsors, judges and Dj's.

How many years have these people been running model comps?
What experience do they have..Other than entering a few competitions prior to running them?

The ONLY reason I stopped being involved in the running of comps. Was to take 3 years time out to be a full time carer for my grandmother. And another year to get back on my feet after she passed away. I might add. I also went out of my way, and did my best to help some people, continue to shoot, and do what I could to maintain the business over those 3 years and under the most extreme circumstances.

Another reason to enter the ************ Model Search (besides the chance to feature in an amazing national calendar, shot by an internationally renowned photographer) are all the other great prizes. Throughout the competition there are thousands of dollars worth of cash and prizes up for grabs. These include ...
Now. Hold the Boat. What was that? (besides the chance to feature in an amazing national calendar, shot by an internationally renowned photographer)

A few questions here. How is this photographer Internationally renowned? And in what field? Modelling?
I have been shooting Models (and not much else) for close to 18 years. Published in Magazines, Calendars, Postcards, Websites both here in Australia and Overseas.

I can be called an Internationally Renowned Photographer. But does that give me the credentials to be a wedding photographer? No. Because I don't specialise in weddings.

How long has this photographer been shooting models?
How many models has this photographer had published?
How many calendars has this photographer shot?
How long has this photographer been shooting overall?
National Calendar? How far outside of the Coffs Harbour Region did this Calendar go?

*A professional portfolio photo shoot for every single entrant (this alone is enough to enter because if you're thinking of being a model you need to have a portfolio to be noticed and they can be really, really expensive!).
Great Spin....Refer to above questions.

*A profile on the ************* website so that you can be considered for work as a ************************ depending on your skills and ambitions.
When? This website hasn't been completed. Even after 12 months talking about it.

There was another similar email that boasted even more spin. But I chose to address this one.

January 2010

And the Winner is? The Organiser!

Just add Gullible Entrants, Someone that can talk it up and people with short memories...and you end up with a lot of girls conned, out of pocket and coming back for another go.

A Model Search was launched in 2008.

Here are a few Quotes:
Searching for models to compete in a brand new competition with over $50,000 in cash and prizes to be won.
On their Brochure, its quoted as $20,000.

The competition was to run in 12 venues throughout NSW.

One winner from each venue was to be selected to represent their area in a National Final.

From there the top 12 girls would be shot for the 2010 Calendar.

Then, it seemed to change to:
The winner from each venue was to feature in a 2010 calendar, to be launched Nationally. With the winning finalist to feature on the cover of the calendar. As well, the top 12 girls would tour the country as part of a National Calendar
Launch.

The Facts:
The competition ran in 1...Possibly 2 venues.
The Calendar was produced. Does it feature girls from the 12 Venues or 12 girls chosen from a National Final?
I don't think so. Has it gone nationally? Not that I can tell. Are the top 12 Girls touring the country to Promote the Calendar? It's to early to tell. But if so...Now would be the time to Promote a 2010 Calendar. What happened to the "over $50,000 in cash and prizes" ?. The model that wrote to me didn't see much of it...So where is it?

But here is the BIG question...Why are some of the same girls queuing up to enter this competition again?

Models that Bullsh*!

Now before I start.. And also before I get inundated with hate mail. I am talking about a microscopic percentage of models. I also realise that this is a common trait that some humans right across the board have..Ok? I also agree that some photographers may be guilty as well. And I'm not talking about white lies, or bending the truth. I'm talking about one topic. Models that Bullsh*!. I've been affected by this in a few ways, and I have heard countless other photographers that have had similar experiences. Here's the bottom line...Just tell the TRUTH!

I know of one model that didn't tell her boyfriend that she did shoots, and was going to be published. Eventually her boyfriend saw a copy of the publication some time later. Instead of admitting to it. To protect her relationship, she said that the image was submitted without her permission. For god's sake.. She did 2 shoots specifically for submission, took part in choosing the images to be submitted.. And was excited when she heard she was going to be published.

Did she consider the effects on the photographers life, personally, mentally, emotionally and financially to defend and prove the truth? No...Not for an instant. Is she still with the boyfriend? Probably not. Where did it get her? KARMA.

The same applies to the no shows that book photo shoots, that come up with some lame untruth. Do they consider the time, effort and $ value when it comes to booking, planning, preparing, and driving to the location?
Just tell the TRUTH!

15 years or more ago, I travelled overseas with several models to an International Competition. We arrived at the Resort, Checked in, and proceeded to the Conference Room for Registration. When we entered the room, we were confronted with 100's of stunning models. One of the girls totally freaked out..and proceeded to say she wasn't going to compete. I spent the best part of the night in a Hallway.. Trying to convince the girl to stay. To top it off, 2 of the other girls decided that if she wasn't going to enter..Then they had no chance either. The 3 girls left and flew back to Australia. Less than 24 hours after arriving. All that time and effort, fundraising and more..Down the tube. The 2 girls that stayed. Competed. And had the time of their life.

Now... Instead of telling the truth, they concocted several stories on the flight back to Australia to explain their reasons for returning. Needless to say..I wasn't very popular when I returned to Australia..And the rumour mills had gone into overdrive. I was also threatened by at least one of the Boyfriends. Eventually...The truth came out when they where overheard discussing it at a party by one of the boyfriends. Finally for me... Truth and Justice Prevailed.

Here's a hypothetical. Let's say..... A model was booked for a shoot. She contacted the photographer and said that she couldn't do the shoot for several weeks and booked in for another day the following month, as she had fell and hurt her leg. A day later, the photographer notices that she is posting availability for shoots for a trip away, that she had planned in a week or so. A few days after that. He sees that she posted that she was available for shoots locally during an upcoming long weekend. Should the photographer do the shoot when her leg is supposedly to heal in a few weeks? That's one of the funny things with the internet.. People just love to get on there and tell everyone what they are doing and what they have done. And don't realise that they are being caught out in the meantime.
JUST TELL THE TRUTH

Everyone's a Photographer!

I'm happy to take my hat off to, admire, respect and encourage new photographer's. But in the past few year's. And I suppose the coming of the age of Digital Photography and Photoshop. I can't believe the number of people that now call themselves photographer's..... That shouldn't!

Wake up and smell the roses. Would you know a good photo if you fell over one? Every day.. I see new "Photo Packages" being promoted that are just money making crap! Or guy's that have just bought a digital camera "cause they love the idea of shooting girls" By all mean's give the new guy's a go...as there really are some great up and coming, and new talented photographer out there. And everyone has to start somewhere. But just look at the work. A picture really does speak a thousand words. If they are shooting for all the wrong reasons.. Then the words wannabe and sleaze should jump right out of those pictures.

If you want good photo's. Check the credentials, How long they have been shooting, what they have had published. Look at their Portfolio's and work it out for yourself. Don't waste time with wannabee's.

A wise model once told me. Shooting with one good photographer, did more for my career and portfolio. Then running around and shooting with a dozen wannabees.

Tall Poppy Syndrome or The Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence

For years I have been haunted by the small town attitude, thinking and gossip mongering.

Oh..He lives in Coff's Harbour..So he really cant be anyone that important or good. LOL I say.

I'm sure some of the people in Michelangelo, Leonardo Da Vinci and Rembrandts home towns... All had the same attitude.

Year's ago. A magazine article about me stated: Coffs Harbour, NSW, Australia based glamour and swimwear photographer, Peter Rollans is living proof that you don't necessarily have to live in the "big smoke" to produce excellent work or even to source stunning talent.

Now... On that note... I challenge any "so called Local Model" that can find another Photographer in my area of work (Swimwear/Glamour), that is based in Coffs Harbour or the Coffs Harbour area that has been published as many times as I have been, or had the number of models published that I have had, in Magazines or Calendars.
$100 Cash to the winner!

A year or so ago. An Overseas Photographer posted that he would be in Australia and was available for shoots. Dozens of girls nearly wet themselves cuing up to pay between $500 and $1000 for the privilege. What a joke.

Most of the shots where below average, washed out and crap. WAKE UP! There are some awesome photographer's here in Australia. And yes, some of them come from small towns or the back of no where. The grass isn't all way's greener on the other side of the fence.

May 2008

Fake Magazines - Con Artists - Gullible Models

Fake Magazines that set up on MySpace, or their own website, with the help of a flashy Mock Up Magazine Cover, and give this incredible spiel about how they are going to take over the magazine industry. The Con Artists behind them that make it all seem to good to be true..and it usually is.. And the models that email these people, or leave comments similar to what a bunch of screaming teenagers would do if they could send an email direct to their biggest fan or Idol. Not all of these things are scams..But they are around. Read and THINK!

I know of at least 2 such scams at the moment. I cant say anymore about the Magazines or the Con Artists behind them..But I will comment more on the Gullible Models, as some of you guys need a reality check. Its amazing to see the number of girls that have fallen for these scams..and left comments like:

AWESOME!!!! I cant wait
I'm definitely in
Cant wait to meet... so excited!
I would love to do a shoot :) Message me and I will give you my email and phone number if that makes it easier.
Hi, l would love to be apart of your magazine! xxx
wow this is awesome!
im going to the beach to get a tan, and don't worry ill be ready
you gonna rock my world!! im EXCITED!
Count me in too! Love it.

Ok..Here's the thing...WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE PEOPLE INVOLVED or BEHIND THESE THINGS?

Usually Nothing...You saw the Mock Magazine Cover..Read the Spiel..and thats it..Your ready to jump on board and offer them anything and everything.

My tip......DO SOME RESEARCH...ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS...AND BE CAREFUL. You don't want to blow it by giving it them flick up front, because it could be the real deal. But at the same time, you should be cautious. If its legit..It shouldn't be a problem answering any question that you throw at them..And they shouldn't have a problem answering them..If all else fails. Go with your gut instincts.

On a similar topic. I cant use the actual names..But does anyone stop and think who is behind MySpace Pages such as.

The 100 Hottest girls of Afghanistan (just an example)
The top 100 sexiest girls from Bellingen (another example)

Some of them are legit. and a bit of fun...But once again.. WHAT DO YOU REALLY KNOW ABOUT THE PEOPLE INVOLVED or BEHIND THESE THINGS? There are a hell of a lot of girls adding themselves to these pages, sending pics and information...But sometimes you just have to ask WHAT DO YOU REALLY KNOW ABOUT THE PEOPLE INVOLVED or BEHIND THESE THINGS?

FOOD FOR THOUGHT!

Please read on to see what Sh*! me over the past few months. And come back next month as I will be concentrating on "Models with Attitudes" and a few other topics.

April 2008

Boyfriends

That take or destroy their Model/Girlfriends disks of images after a break up.
Over the years, I have had several girls contact me and ask for another copy of their images because they broke up with their boyfriend and he either destroyed or took all the disks and wont give them back. This hasn't been a big issue, as most of the shoots I have done are swimsuit related. But it does seem that a few of those that have done topless, implied nude, or nude..Are the ones that are at most risk.

Come on girls!! Unfortunately, not all relationships these days last forever. Just think about it!

Thank You

This one is really simple. Two Words "Thank You".Is it that hard for some people to say Thank You these days? Come on...It's not hard to say..But it really means a lot

March 2008

Boyfriends

That don't support their Model/Girlfriends.

Especially Insecure, Controlling, Demanding, Jealous "New" Boyfriends that come into the lives (usually for a short time) of models, and start demanding that the model stops doing what they have been doing prior to them.....coming into their life. Demanding that they stop pursuing their dreams, stop entering competitions, stop doing Photo Shoots or Glamour Work (because they don't want other guys seeing "their woman")

For years, I have heard stories from other photographers, and witnessed it first hand as well.
Comments such as:
I cant enter the competition, because my boyfriend doesn't want me doing that type of thing any more.
Can you remove those images from the website. My boyfriend doesn't like other guys seeing those pics.
My boyfriend wouldn't like that pose...Can you delete those images so he doesn't see them.
Don't send those photos. My boyfriend wouldn't approve if those shots where published.

For years I have "succumbed " to these requests. Out of courtesy to the model. Did I have to? No. Does it Sh!t me?...Eventually...Yes!
Especially after 3 recent events over the past 3 months, and talking to other photographers that have had similar experiences.
Where the models doing this type of work before the "new" boyfriend? Yes.
Was the model asked if this is what they wanted to do or pursue? Yes.
Was the model present and of sound mind when the photos where taken? Yes.
For F#@! Sake. If he doest like what you do, knowing full well, what you did before you met him.
Tell him to F#@! Off or GET OVER IT!

I can think of a dozen "Good" reasons to make these requests. But a "new" boyfriend isn't one of them.
Follow "YOUR" Dreams. Not His.

From a photographers point of view. Is the "new" boyfriend going to cover the photographers time, expenses and loss of sale for images that can no longer be sold or used, because "he" doesn't like other guys seeing those pics (but he's happy to look at them or keep them for himself), or he wouldn't approve if the shots where published.
Did "HE" Pay for the Photo Shoot?
Perhaps we should introduce a "new boyfriend tax" So that in the event that a "new" boyfriend comes along, and starts implementing these new "rules" on their model girlfriends.
At least the photographers time and effort is covered.

Boyfriends - A Models Point of View

In response to the recent post on this site regarding girls in the industry facing difficulties with their boyfriends inability to accept the nature of their work:

I have been in the modelling and promotions industry for 8 years and earn a living from this work full time. I believe I am in a perfect position to comment on this issue as I have experienced it from all angles.

Starting at 17 my then boyfriend had some problems dealing with what was required of me as a model. In effect, I lost work in order to accommodate his insecurities. Upon meeting my current boyfriend, I politely explained the requirements of my job and gave him the option to leave if he would be uncomfortable with it.

At this stage, I simply was not prepared to make any sacrifices that would affect my career based on someone's control issues or insecurities. He decided to stick it out and although there have been ups and downs, I remind him that he accepted me and my job from the beginning and over time he has learned to embrace the perks of the industry. He is constantly surrounded by models, loves to participate in photo shoots and events and travels with me for interstate jobs. He even does my spray tans for me!! lol

So I am just grateful to have one of those guys who feels lucky to be part of my life and all that comes with it. He understands the industry and supports my role in it. I just feel sorry for the guys who cant be proud and supportive because the jealous and controlling approach only gets in the way of what could be a great experience for you and your model girlfriend. Guys would probably kill to be in your position so make the most of it before she finds one of those proud, supportive boyfriends who know that no matter how many guys drool over those images - she's going home with you! Those guys are out there... I found one!

I started my modelling career with Peter Rollans 8 years ago and have enjoyed working with him and developing a close friendship with him over the years. The Australian Swimsuit Edition has launched my career and these days I would not let any guy get in the way of that. So thanks Peter for an interesting post focusing on an issue that has long needed attention. I totally understand the time and money that goes into a photo shoot and girls need to set their limits before posing so no shots are wasted on "boyfriends not approving"

If you are a professional model, then you should be shooting with the aim of being published. If you don't want to be published topless, then don't pose topless.

Well there you have a models point of view. I would love to hear more opinions on this topic.
Finally, thank you Peter for years of highly entertaining shoots, great images and a cherished friendship from both Lee and I. Keep up the great work and thanks for saying what need to be said!

Kirra Tipping
Australian - Swimsuit - Edition Model

Australian Magazines

That invite models to submit images for Competitions such as Hottest Beach Babe, Real Girls etc, knowing full well, in a high percentage of cases the images where not taken by a friend, they where taken by a working photographer. As a result, the model is asked to declare as part of her entry that she is the copyright holder, even though she is not, and has no legal right to do so. Looking at it from another angle, I also see this as a rort to get free content for their Magazines and Special Editions.

Models
Do you know what you are agreeing to when you submit photos to competitions in these Magazines?
Even though you are not in a legal position to do so if the images where taken by a photographer who "owns" the Copyright.

Here is an example of a typical magazine competition explained.

Each entry must include a photo of one person who has given their consent to enter ("Participant"). Complete with correct answers to all questions on the entry form and attach an image in the form of either a photo, video or a combination of both containing the image of the Participant only ("Entry"). All material submitted is subject to these terms and conditions.
What does "Participant" mean? - "Participant" is you the Model in the image.

Non Participants ("Agents") may provide to Promoter the email address of a potential Participant through use of the "Enter" link on the entry website provided they have the consent of that persons to be a Participant. Agents are ineligible to receive any Prizes under this competition.
What does "Agents" mean? - "Agents" In most cases is a friend that has entered you, Boyfriend, or Photographer.

The Participants (you the Model in the image) and Agents (friend, Boyfriend, or Photographer) agree to assign all rights ( What does "assign all rights" mean? - Give the Magazine Total Permission ) and interests in any intellectual property, including words, text, images or sound provided by the Participant or Agent, or generated through or in connection with the Competition throughout its term, including but not limited to Qualifying Material and any material or image arising or created in connection with the Promotional Activities ("Intellectual Property - The Images). Participants acknowledge that Promoter will collect personal information of Participants and potential Participants. By entering you give a worldwide irrevocable licence to reproduce publish adapt communicate and broadcast the Intellectual Property in any form and media and to sublicense those rights.
( What does "worldwide irrevocable licence" mean? - You are stating that you own the images and give them permission to take over the rights, and do what they want with the images, anywhere throughout the world. And, You cant change your mind. "reproduce publish adapt communicate and broadcast", means they can sell or use the image/s when ever they want, in other publications, use them as mobile phone downloads...Anything ) You also consent to the Intellectual Property (The Images) being edited reused stored and reproduced. (Forever)

Participants and Agents agree to indemnify the Promoter against any actions arising from the publication of the Intellectual Property. No material, text or images submitted will be returned to participants.

Participants warrant that they have exclusive and complete rights to deal with the material provided to the Promoter, including the right to offer the material for publication ( What does that mean? - You are stating that you own the image/s and have the right to submit them )
Participants agree to indemnify the Promoter against any actions arising from the publication of such materials
( What does "indemnify the Promoter against any actions" mean? - You take the blame ) Participants warrant that they are over 18 at the time of entry. Agents warrant they have obtained the consent of the Participant to entry and to the publication of all Intellectual Property provided by the Agent and agree to indemnity the Promoter against any actions arising from the publication of such materials.( What does this mean? - The friend, Boyfriend, or Photographer takes the blame for wrongful submission.)

These terms and conditions and the Competition are subject to the laws applicable in New South Wales, Australia (including federal and State legislation) and to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of New South Wales and courts of Australian Federal Jurisdiction.

All participants guarantee that they are the holder of the image's copyright and allow the publisher full use of the image as they see fit, ( What does "the holder of the image's copyright" mean? - You are stating that you own the images and have the right to submit them and allow the publisher full use of the image as they see fit means - The Magazine can do what they want with the images) whether that be in the magazine or in a digital format. The publisher accepts no responsibility for images submitted without the consent of the copyright holder.
( What does "The publisher accepts no responsibility" mean? - ( if you don't have permission from the photographer, the magazine has covered themselves, and put the blame back onto the Model )

Australian Magazines

That invite models to submit images for Competitions such as Hottest Beach Babe, Real Girls etc, and either remove or don't include a Photographers Credit, let alone give payment.

PHOTOGRAPHERS
Are you being used/ripped off, by Australian Magazines?

For the past few years I have sat back and watched as my images have appeared in Magazines and on their websites as a result of an increasing number of "Send us your Photo" Best Beach Babe, Best Bum, Girl Next Door Competitions.

After 17 years of shooting, I still get a buzz when my images are published. I am happy that the girls (may?) gain some exposure from the exercise...however, I do expect a photo credit. Without that. How the hell does anyone know that I took the image/s? Sure. Everybody knows its a picture of the model in the Magazine? But without a Photographer Credit, whose going to know who took the Photo/s?

I was recently contacted by a magazine asking permission to use and publish an image in a future "Summer Special Publication". I agreed on the point that I would be given a photo credit. The person on the other end of the phone agreed, and asked how I would like the credit to read.

First of all, I was taken back that they actually contacted me. But now I understand, it was just to cover their ass. As a result, one of the images was published in a general weekly issue within a week of the phone call, and then a second image appeared in the Summer Special. Neither image had the photo credit that I requested.

Now that the images have been published. It seems that the magazines have this "after the fact" attitude, where the best that they can do is say sorry, or "I don't know what happened, the credit should have been there"

As I stated earlier, the phone call was to cover their ass and they had no intention of giving a credit. Because, they know that in most cases, the photographer wont pursue the issue. and anyway, they are protected, because the agreement that the model accepts when submitting images to these competitions, puts the blame back onto the models.

When models say they own something (the image) and in effect selling the image for exposure, this is comparable to the fraud of people selling the Harbour Bridge , just smaller in scale.

The magazine that accepts the signature of the model claiming ownership of images without proof is being negligent.

In a similar way when I send a model image to some ethical magazines or stock agencies, they require a witnessed model release and contact details of the model, and in some cases the magazines contact the model to verify facts.

Thus when a model sends in images to a magazine for these comps, then the photographer details as well as a photographers release should be required.

I have spoken to one photographer, who had a similar phone call from a magazine, and none of his images carried a photo credit either. I have also heard of several other photographers that have had the same problem. Some of the photographers have invoiced the magazines for the use of the image/s. But most people just don't try.

So, the question is.

Should we start putting Copyright and our name, business name, or web address right across the middle of images?

Should the magazines add one more question to their entry forms, eg: Photographer Credit?, Or start paying for the use of images? (Which they should be able to do if they are at all successful.)

Link to a forum regarding other photographers experiences: HERE